the legacy of nelson mandela. if there's one thing that comes to mind that you would like to see stay out there, his spirit remembered that way throughout the world, what would that be? >> well, i maintain that because of what he and the archbishop achieved, it sort of suggests that one day there will be peace in the middle east. it's because of his insistence that you don't get even with people. that's the wrong way to approach it. and he says that -- keep in mind, he had even his guardians, his prison guardians at his inauguration in seats -- in preferential seating. i think that if we the people are able to learn from him, things will be better off. peace and reconciliation could not have been achieved or even suggested during the nuremberg trialed after world war ii, but he did. >> well, n york city mayor david dinkins, thank you so much for taking the time to come on the show. >> you look terrific. >> well, thanks. i've been to hair and makeup. >> i'm afraid it's more than that. >> you're too kind. glad you'r